Gael & Gaul

Gael &Gaul
2005.11.11 1:38

Eglamkowski writes in his latest JE that
It's also worth noting that the French, at the end of the day, are descended from a Germanic tribe - the Franks.
And following to my comment that
Even in terms of ethnic identity, they are a Germanic tribe overstamped with Latin influence.
There have been controversy over the origin of one people -for example, majority of Japanese people are believed to be derived from Korean people, but what percentage? France and Germany are located in adjancent region since their foundation, so nobody would not doubt that they are definetely correlated, but what percentage? I got curious, then I started looking up the articles in Wikipedia.
According to the articles in Wikipedia, Gaelic tribes used to live in what is now France. Gaelic people - the same as Celtic -are people who inhabit in Ireland, Scotland, Breton, Cornwell, Wales, Isle of Man. According to the articles in Wikipedia, Gaelic people used to live when Julius Caesar invaded the region in 58-52BC, this fact is well-known since Caesar wrote 'Diary on Gallia Battle'. Romans referred to the people who lived in France called 'Gauls' and their language is Gaelic, my question is 'Are Gael &Gaul correlated liguistically and ethnically?' If so, I think it's consistent.
According to the articles, only 200 Gaelic words related to names of place remain in modern French, that means they are almost nothing. And 15% of modern French are thought to be Germanic origin. Since the 3rd century, France has been exposed repeatedly from Germanic invasions, so I wonder -despite the fact that the German invasion into the region I must say the percentage of German words is very low.
From the outsider's view, French integration would be thought relatively well kept.
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I don't know(Score:2)
by Degrees (220395) <degrees@comcas[ ]et ['t.n' in gap]> on 2005.11.12 1:03 (#14008534) (http://home.comcast.net/~gerisch Last Journal: 2005.11.19 11:24)
Although when I visited Germany a decade and a half ago, I stayed in the western part (near France). My brother was studying Chemistry at the time, and the question came up "What did he do?" It took a minute to work through the problem that in Germany, near France, "chemistry" is pronounced the way the French pronounce it - a soft "ch" and drop the last four letters.
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Re:I don't know(Score:1)
by mercedo (822671) * on 2005.11.13 3:02 (#14015992) (http://www.blogger.com/profile/11854854 Last Journal: 2005.11.27 10:11)
Hi, Deg, what's up? I must say this is a tough question, but I try to explain.
You see in our case, despite the fact that though we( South-west Japanese ) live adjacent to Korea, virtually we don't understand anything about Korean language. Yet historically speaking, Korean and Japanese languages are definetly correlated, we have to trace back to our mutual parent language several thousand years ago. I mean we don't understand mutually at all 'now'.
I can hardly believe that they -French and German -can communicate now in using their own languages although they have been living next to one another.
A little bit vague though from my memory in my school days, ca 4 millennia BC, a parent common language of these three started being spoken around the Black Sea. Then around 500 BC, core of Latin language family and Germanic language family started being formed in the respective area. So probably around 2500 years ago that the division of Germanic English and Latin French started. In 5th century, Gemanic tribes-Angles & Saxon started migrating what is now in England, so the division of English and German dates back to 1500 years ago.
This is a core of three languages. But by and large, they (French &German) don't understand one another( 2500 years from separation!).
And furthermore. Superficial share in many vocaburaries are completely different matter. Japanese language contains more than 80% of Chinese words yet linguisticaly speaking there's not in the least correlation between two languages. As a result of Germanic invasion in northern France in 3rd century, French language contains 15% of Germanic words yet there's no influence on its origin to be Latin language.
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Re:I don't know(Score:2)
by FidelCatsro (861135) * <fidelcatsro@NOsPaM.gmail.com> on 2005.11.14 4:36 (#14021392) (Last Journal: 2005.11.26 9:44)
Look at Danish ;) Should help you understand the similarities
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Re:I don't know(Score:2)
by FidelCatsro (861135) * <fidelcatsro@NOsPaM.gmail.com> on 2005.11.14 18:14 (#14024518) (Last Journal: 2005.11.26 9:44)
I meant Dutch doh
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Re:I don't know(Score:1)
by mercedo (822671) * on 2005.11.16 2:03 (#14035762) (http://www.blogger.com/profile/11854854 Last Journal: 2005.11.27 10:11)
Dutch -Deutch, Danish -Spanish, Prussian -Russian, there are tens of similar names in autonomous regions &republics in Russia. In short they all are from a few families around the Black Sea 6 millennia ago. It's not strange if some of them happen to share the similar names.
Japanese might be from Javanese. In fact some scholars insist that large portion of our ancesters came from the southern islands by catamalans.
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Re:I don't know(Score:2)
by ediron2 (246908) * on 2005.11.19 6:50 (#14066619) (Last Journal: 2005.10.01 13:49)
Ow, was that an engrish joke (catamalan vs. catamaran) or a typo? Googling isn't showing any such-named watercraft...
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